John Chow Is Killing His Blog By Trying Too Hard To Make Money

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johnchow.jpgBe careful not to try so hard to make money with your blog. Sometimes, like in the example I’m talking about below, you can do “too much” and as I’ve said before, you will start to lose your credibility and readership.

Read this comment on a post over at Problogger. #18 comment to be exact. He’s talking about JohnChow.com. The post is talking about using donations to monetize your blog.

I immediately thought of John Chow as an example of how NOT to do this.

While he does have a loyal readership he breaks a few of your other rules:

1. Already Monetizes in Other Ways – when I saw he put ‘buy me a beer’ on his blog I got really angry. He boasts every month about how much he earns and then has the arrogance to ask us for a few extra dollars?

2. Offers Little Value – he used to write some good valuable content but lately his blog has become largely about doing paid reviews, swapping links (in the name of ‘reviews’), boasting about his earnings. The actual tips about making money online are few and far between.

3. Greed – he’s recently even started charging people to leave comments without no-follow tags.

4. Buy me a beer on every post – I’m already sick of seeing that link at the bottom of every post.

Thanks for your tips on this Darren. I hope others do it in a more sensible way.

The reader is right. It is only a matter of time before a loyal readership decides that enough is enough. They start asking themselves, “Is this blogger really trying to help me, or just make money?” When they think the latter, they begin to question the blogger’s credibility and as soon as that happens a loyal reader can fade away fast.

I’ve had my issues with John Chow before, particularly way back in November of 2006 right here on this blog when I wrote about how this could actually happen to John.

Do you want to be known as a thought-leader, well respected in your community… or that internet marketing guy who pushes stuff just to make a buck?

Is that starting to happen? I don’t want to say I told you so. I’d rather use it as an example for other bloggers to learn from.

Promotion and marketing is all fine and good. Heck, I do it all over the place. The difference is that I’m not writing frequent content specifically to make money (paid reviews, etc…). Rather, I’m trying to help people. Has John’s blog gone too far?

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  • I agree with the reader. JC really pushes too hard to make money on his blog. He milks it too much that it hurts the cow.

    This made me laugh:

    "1. Already Monetizes in Other Ways - when I saw he put ‘buy me a beer’ on his blog I got really angry. He boasts every month about how much he earns and then has the arrogance to ask us for a few extra dollars?"

    Really true!
  • I completely agree, I used to really enjoy reading JCs blog, but I now just skim through his posts on my google reader and very rarely actually read any of it now, the blog has lost its value in my opinion, but hats off to him, it brings in good money.
  • Agree that good posts on JohnChow.com are few and far between. It's his undying enthusiasm, ingenious ways to bring extra traffic to his blog, and most of all, transparency in his earnings. that makes me go back and skim his blog daily.
  • I disagree, I don't think John has pushed things far enough.

    The further he pushes it the more press/links he gets and the more money he makes.

    Don't we need at least one person pushing the envelope in over monetization for us all to learn from?

    I'd like to see him push harder.
  • As I said on BUMPzee, John is nowheres close to losing his blog community. Those of us who understand that what he is doing over there is insane (the level of monetization on that blog has been overboard for a very long time) will keep going back just to see what zany thing he does next. The bulk of his readers, however, are there to see how much me makes next month and what "ingenius" method he uses to do it.

    I have nothing against John, in fact, we've been good "e-buds" for a while. But anyone can see that the cult he's created on his blog is no longer there to learn how to make money online and get tips from John Chow. They are there to see what "evil" and "genius" method he uses next to weasel some more money out of the masses which they are a part of.

    His blog community is there to watch him make money, not to get expert advice. They emulate his actions but I honestly don't think most are there for his words.
  • Jonathan (Trust)
    The numbers speak for themselves. And to get those kind of numbers not only money wise but in comments, he has an audience. And when you get that big, could be his blog, Shoemoney, whoever, you're always going to have your fair share of haters or people that don't like it. That's natural.

    Now the first time I ever heard of him or his blog was at Bumpzee when other bloggers were talking about the cookie stuffing blog post he made. Now that I disagree with 100%. Was bad advice, can get you booted out of the network. And looking around his blog, nothing that really interests me because I do mainstream affiliate marketing and there's not much there for that. And he'll probably end up getting zapped with the buying and selling of links out in public like that. Looks like he already lost his top spot. Don't know where bloggers heads are at with that.

    But again, he's making nice money, has a big audience. Numbers don't lie.
  • There is actually a twist to BMAB (Buy Me A Beer) that would work extremely well which no one is doing.

    Maybe I will get someone to knock up a plugin
  • I've noticed a few more money making methods being added to john's site as well. The "Buy Me a Beer" post was interesting, but I wouldn't actually add it to the site. To me it would seem more shameless and a burden on the site, than then extra $100 a month it may pull in.

    It's John's site and he has helped many with his posts and you'd be surprised how many people want him to make a ton off the site, then anxiously wait til the beginning of the next month to see what type of earnings he has made.

    I've had several blog reviews done for my blog and so many of them want to see more ads on the site, so I can report on their performance. I was a bit surprised, as my goal is to focus on content... without throwing up annoying ads in the readers face.

    I feel John's site will continue to grow, but would be best if he monetized and focused on his best performing money makers and removing a few others.... after all at $10k a month he's doing well with what he has up.
  • Hey, you can't blame the guy for experimenting with different ways of making money through his blog. After all, that's what the site is all about! He is going through a trial and error process and giving us the results.

    I don't have any urge to give him more money than he's already making but I am not holding it against him either.
  • Aimee said...Hey, you can’t blame the guy for experimenting with different ways of making money through his blog.



    My response: Is "experimenting" supposed to be some sort of code word for shamelessly gaming the system and giving bad advice?

  • I've got no problem with Chow experimenting on his audience and finding new ways to monetize the people that continually choose to read his blog. More power to him.

    What I do have a problem with are the sketchy-at-best "evil tactics" (as he calls them) that he recommends to new affiliates who read his words as gospel. Our industry went through a period of experimenting with all of the "new tricks" he rehashes years ago.

    There's a growing divide in affiliate marketing between the old folks and the newcomers, and it's we old folks that let Chow and other "gurus" spew their tactics without stepping up to confront them and show the new affiliates that there are other (and better) ways to make a buck than reusing five year old ideas that were bad ideas then.

    Nice post, Jim.
  • @shawn and @sam

    "Is “experimenting” supposed to be some sort of code word for shamelessly gaming the system and giving bad advice?"

    "What I do have a problem with are the sketchy-at-best “evil tactics” (as he calls them)"

    you are putting somebody down and not giving any examples? maybe you are referring to the cookie stuffing post? I'm only guessing.

    http://www.johnchow.com/evil-affiliate-marketin...

    He clearly states: "Most affiliate programs won’t allow this and will ban you if you try it." That is NOT misleading. Certainly that isn't promoting something, rather educating.

    If anything I got an education by reading that post. I'm a newbie and had no clue what cookie stuffing was, so I was thankful for the post.

    I'm obviously not learning that stuff from the old heads, they are too busy being do-gooders. Thanks John Chow.
  • > you are putting somebody down and not giving any examples?

    Any time he refers to something as "evil", you can confidently expect that it's not above board.

    Cookie stuffing, gaming Google, increasing RSS stats, etc.

    > I’m obviously not learning that stuff from the old heads, they are too busy being do-gooders.

    Take some initiative and look at what's out there. I've got three years of newsletter archives and many dozens of affiliate tips at affiliatetip.com.

    Proud to be a "do-gooder" a.k.a. somebody who achieved success the hard way in affiliate marketing by being clean and legitimate.
  • @shawn "Any time he refers to something as “evil”, you can confidently expect that it’s not above board."

    lol, any time he mentions something is "evil" I can confidently expect the do-gooders to get their panties in a wad, which is probably the reason he does it.

    "Take some initiative and look at what’s out there. I’ve got three years of newsletter archives" If you've already written about cookie stuffing why is it not ok for John Chow to do it?
  • > lol, any time he mentions something is “evil” I can confidently expect the do-gooders to get their panties in a wad, which is probably the reason he does it.

    I'm sure that's his motive. He has no use for ill gotten gains.

    > If you’ve already written about cookie stuffing why is it not ok for John Chow to do it?

    As far as I recall, I've never encouraged anybody to cheat in any way. I have, however, produced volumes of information on legitimate affiliate marketing.

    Maybe I should refocus and move into the get rich quick game.

    Here - this will be my first blog entry...

    These are some crazy, wild, experimental ways you can make easy money with affiliate programs: phish MySpace accounts, distribute spyware and send spam.

    Now I don't suggest you do this stuff. But in the event you try it out and make some money... why don't you go and buy me a beer in appreciation.
  • "As far as I recall, I’ve never encouraged anybody to cheat in any way."

    I didn't say you did, I said you think it's alright for you to talk about cookie stuffing but not john chow.
  • > I didn’t say you did, I said you think it’s alright for you to talk about cookie stuffing but not john chow.

    I think it's fine to reference cookie stuffing in the context of an affiliate program that permits it, or to explain why it shouldn't be done, because it's a forbidden practice.

    I don't think it's acceptable to write that it's not permitted and that it's evil, but that it's effective. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
  • "“Most affiliate programs won’t allow this and will ban you if you try it.”

    I don't get "Wink, wink, nudge, nudge." out of that.

    "I don’t think it’s acceptable to write that it’s not permitted and that it’s evil, but that it’s effective."

    fair enough, I find it "acceptable".
  • > I don’t get “Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.” out of that.

    I got the “Wink, wink, nudge, nudge” out of how his original post touted how he was doing it to game AuctionAds.

    That is, until he got caught.

    He admitted most programs didn't permit it, yet he went and did it anyway without asking Jeremy is it was cool.

    Shady.
  • I'm relatively new to the blogging community, so still learning a great deal about how the blogger-reader reaction works.

    I have visit John's site a few times. I think occasionally he did post some interesting content but what really throw me off is the stuff about AGLOCO or something like that. I didn't know what it was but digger deeper it looks very suspicious like some kind of pyramid scheme so I decided not to follow the crowd.

    Very interesting post btw.
  • As they say, content is king. All the contents there doesn't seem to be of much use anymore.

    Francis Simisim
    http://soshallwe.blogspot.com
  • I chuckled about the "buy me a beer" link, too. I "guess" it's better than blatantly saying "Donation."

    I was also surprised to see the post ($10) for removing the "no follow" tag. It didn't matter to me because I rarely comment on his blog. But I noticed that some people made dozens of posts on his blog. I wonder if they knew about the "no-follow" tag...
  • I do read John Chow's site and I do learn a lot from his tips. In fact, I did a review of his site and was included in one batch list. I'm hoping it will help my page rank and draw in some readers.

    Despite all these, though, I don't agree with some of his money-making ideas. I think charging people to remove the nofollow from their blogs and for posting dofollow on his blog is taking advantage of the gullible. And asking for beer money after saying he's earning so much from his blog is so tacky!

    Still, it's our choice, isn't it? We can just stop reading his blog. Or we can continue to read it and pick up info but not get suckered into giving him money.

    At least he admits he's "evil" and that he has no noble goals except make more and more money. So, reader beware.

    We can still learn from his blog and not do the same mistakes on our blogs.
  • John is a businessman and a business man will do what a business man will do. The guy is an absolute creative and a crazy genius in making money online.
  • Here's my point of view as succinctly as I can make it... blogging is a wonderful and valuable tool for growing a brand or even making direct revenue in the long term. You can make short term gain on your blog by various methods of acceptable and less-than-acceptable means. It's a choice you have to make about your own future and brand.

    However, if you do choose to go down the path that John travels, you'd probably want to do it with a domain other than one in your real name (johnchow.com or samharrelson.com or markwielgus.com) because of the long term ramifications.

    If someone wants to hack through the old paths again that were created years ago and disregarded as harder ways to climb the hill of success that we all are looking to climb, then so be it. Have fun, and I hope you all learn as much as the "old timer, do-gooders" did when we were running around the hill trying to figure out the best path to the top.

    None of us are there yet, but you can certainly learn a lot if you go back and look at resources like Shawn's built up library or Jim's archives or even conversations on the forums from 2002 and 2003. We weren't discussing blogging yet (well, some were), but we were hitting on these same discussions about gaming systems, short term profits and the place of full disclosure.

    It's easier to stand on the shoulders of giants rather than trying to invent the wheel all over again.

    Blogging is wonderful and you can definitely make some money doing it. I do, both directly and indirectly. I could make a lot more money in the short term with my blogs, but I don't think that money would be worth the tradeoff to the amount of money they will bring in over the long term... especially with a blog in my own personal name.

    Blogging is ultimately most valuable when it is set up to last the long haul. That means looking for ways to create better communities and content on your blog rather than better short term rankings or using RSS hacks to get more subscribers in one day.

    What concerns me the most is that there is a growing rift between the next gen of "online marketers" and what you and others are calling the old crowd. We're not communicating with each other because of a number of reasons and faults on both sides. That's ultimately damaging to our industry because we're doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.
  • You should have directed that @jim, Mark. I'm not going to speak for Jim. I don't use paid reviews or optimize my blogs (which is just plain dumb in today's environment... but I write my content for my readers and not the SERPS).

    I don't "despise" the "new blood," as I'm sure you don't despise the old blood. So let's not fall into generalities about either side of this perceived split.

    Instead, let's look for ways to learn together and move the industry forward in a positive and profitable direction. My general point in getting involved in this discussion here on Jim's blog is that I don't see what Mr. Chow is doing as positive or profitable for the industry or individuals just getting involved in the industry.
  • And for the life of me, I don't see how Jim's common sense post on optimizing a blog (use better headlines, title tags before headlines and use tags) even remotely compares to Chow's posts on cookie stuffing, juicing your RSS stats for one day or having people pay you to use no-follow to share the google juice. Seems like you're reaching to make your point, Mark... but what's new?
  • "And for the life of me, I don’t see how Jim’s common sense post on optimizing a blog (use better headlines, title tags before headlines and use tags) even remotely compares to Chow’s posts on cookie stuffing, juicing your RSS stats for one day or having people pay you to use no-follow to share the google juice."

    I also mentioned he takes money to help manipulate other peoples google rankings.

    I wasn't comparing Jim to John chow. I was giving you an example of how the newheads like to call bullsh!t on the old heads.

    "Seems like you’re reaching to make your point, Mark… but what’s new?"

    Hardly, seems like you're having trouble following as usual. I can slow it down if you need me to.
  • @sam - I do give Jim some respect, at least he doesn't delete the comments and opinions he doesn't like or agree with, like you do. Thanks Jim.
  • I've got no problem deleting comments that are spam, off topic or troll like in nature.

    Have you ever read my blogs? Half the comments there disagree with me. But, they are well thought out and contribute to the conversation. It's my blog and I can experiment with the "delete comments" feature just as Chow can experiment with his plugins and features.

    Let's show more respect to Jim and stay on topic since this is his blog. If you'd like to draw more linkbait, feel free to call me a hypocrite again on your blog.
  • Hey Mark,

    Just got back from a long weekend away from the computer. Agree with me or don't, listen to me, or don't. Have your own opinion, that's great.

    But I'll tell you what, give me the respect I've earned from doing this for 10+ years now. I'm not trying to bring anyone down, I'm just offering my opinions and help.

    Lastly, if you're going to try to use my blog to treat my friends without the same respect that I expect ("I can slow it down if you need me to."), then you can simply not comment.

    Let's have a beer at the summit in person, all of us and talk it out.
  • "give me the respect I’ve earned from doing this for 10+ years now"

    sorry your holiness, I'll take my conversation elsewhere, ye old wise men have fun conversing. l8r
  • The only thing holy about me is my socks. :0 Thanks for your comments.
  • I read John's blog from time to time. I moment you stop getting relevant information is the moment you tend to veer from reading a blog. The thing I noticed in May was that he really stopped doing so many non-relevant reviews. I think he realized that he could drive his audience away by continuing this. So, it showed in his monthly income that took a dive in May.

    p.s. What's up with the male enhancement links? Come on, John!
  • John chow is on a rise compared to other high traffic blogs. I don't get it but its what alexa says.
    http://proaudiomatrix.com/how-do-your-stats-com...
  • 45n5 comes off sounding like a 4 year old looking up to his hero, John Chow. No original ideas and his argumentative skills are lacking. Boo this man
  • John Chow is at least transparent. He has from the beginning said that he is all about making money from his blog.

    It is those people who are sneaky and dishonest that bother me not john chow.
  • Interesting!

    He may loose credibility and regular readers. But that is not the point. He will still get a lot of visitors from various search channels. Hell, in fact even your post is going to give him a lot of traffic.

    You should know, more traffic = more money

    :-)
  • wow - that is crazy that john is charging commenters the no follow tag - that is just crazy - its the blogsphere were suppose to fight spam not bloggers!

    but I do not know i john too much every since I have started blogging I have been tackbackin to several post of his many times as its pretty popular
  • Well that is JC the mogul dot com
    manipulating traffics, links and
    rankings to realize what his blog is all about
    ..which is a plain and simple
    money making blog.
    If he ask for a beer then
    You can not blame him for being as such
    because his blog is about how to make
    money online...
  • It's really just the strength in numbers that get him where he is now.
    I've written a post where I try to explain the concept. (http://www.johncow.com/love-your-sheep/)
  • This is the thread that won't die, isn't it?

    I've been reading up on Internet Marketers who habitually abuse their lists over the last couple of days, by sending out one sales promotion after another, and then follow up sales promotions.

    Their unsubscribe rates are naturally high, but the thing is their replenishment rate is even higher. One aspect of the 'game' is that if you've enough backlinks, articles and press releases as well as PPC ads out there, you'll have hapless newbies flowing into your blog or your list.

    From there, it's just hammering away at them and even if you get 100 unsubs a day, but 500 new people coming in, then what the hey, right?

    I agree it's amoral and there's always the fine line between what's legal and what's moral.

    If someone wants to nickel and dime their way to whatever income they want, they're inciting certain consequences and rammifications to their brand.

    Maybe they were a political refugee or maybe a boat person, or maybe an illegal border crosser and having coming from an imporvished background of eating bread and water, maybe whatever they're doing now is a reflection of that?

    What knows? But regardless, I find that my time is better spend on beating my own path and achieving my own goals.

    Just because someone around you is raping and pillaging, doesn't mean it's ok, or that you should do it too.

    After all, you have your own brain, don't you?

    Use it.
  • Finally I found more people that share the same opinion as I regarding john chow.
    Right now he's site looks like a Christmas tree, what he is trying to do is ridiculous with all the ad sales etc.

    And I have to say that the longer you read john's posts the more you realise that he isn't helping you earn $ of your blog, sure he'll slip in a how-to sometimes explaining things most web developers and webmaster already know.

    So it seems that the people left on that site are:
    1.Completely new to SEO making money online and are hoping they'll get some good info.
    2.The "ass kissers" who practically say and do anything to get mentioned by chow. Maybe they think john will create miracles for them, personally I do not know.

    The good followers of his blog, the ones that had something good to say are long gone, and all he has left is people commenting 10 times in a post just to hit the top commentator's list.

    It's sad to see, that greed can turn people this way, especially money.
    If someone else would turn his blog into a Christmas tree 2 years ago I bet john would have had bad opinion about it.
    Money and greed can make people blind, and this will be the fall for him.
  • I think that John is totally in it for the cash. And since he's not making any secret of it I think he should do exactly what he wants to do. Push as hard he can to milk his blog as much as he can .... I have written a post about how he uses his blog's momentum to make loads of money...

    You can find it here : http://www.newmediatype.com/how-john-chow-makes...

    As far as the blog pushing goes : I think almost everybody would do what he is doing if the got the chance ... *almost everybody that is ;)

    Lex
  • Good post.
    I first went to John Chow yesterday and liked him... Now im not that sure..
  • Whether or not we think JC has gone too far or not far enough, I am positive of one thing.... he's determination. He's created buzz, and we continue to talk about it. Heck, he's even in the February edition of the Entrepreneur magazine. The guys must be doing something right.

    And in his article he confesses, he makes money blogging about nothing.... his determination has gotten him where he is now.

    I can sure learn from that.
  • internetseo
    One thing some of John's detractors seem to be missing is that John probably doesn't care what Google does to him. He has grown through link building, blog connections and word-of-mouth.

    Google's arrogance is not going to hurt him or his site. He doesn't need them and as others of us learn from John's example, that should really start to shake up the greed-trust at Google.

    The idea of a corporation as greedy as Google pointing the finger and trying to punish John Chow for trying to make a few thousand dollars a month is laughable at best and ominous at worst.

    If Google keeps trying to engineer the web with the stick method, they will soon enjoy the same venom that Mr. Softy has been receiving for the last several years.
  • notjohnchow
    Success is the ultimate measure of a blog. It has been almost a year since this post was published and John Chow is raking in the bucks. I don't think he cares about anything but that.
  • John Chow has extremely good information on his blog....yea,I know sometimes he doesn't exactly stay on the marketing subject,but marketing involves what you go through in life,the places you eat,cultural news,etc.

    The fact that he commands so much($30k) from monthly ad revenues proves readers like what they find at his blog. I mean c'mon how could he do this if there was nothing valuable?
  • It may be hard to swallow, but he is one the of leaders of the monetized blogging world. Everyone can learn some lessons from John Chow, whether they are good or bad is up to you.
  • I have mixed feelings regarding JC. Sometimes he does provide quality information, but it truly does feel like he's trying to squeeze as much as possible out of his site which makes his site feel sort of 'forced' in my opinion. Sort of like, when he reviews things and says they rock, do they really rock? Or is he just telling you what you want to hear because someone is paying him to tell you that?

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  • Guys why you so concern on JC? what he's doing on his blog certainly not for us to concern, is this a matter of 'JEALOUS' ?
  • I spotted this post now only... Really nice write up. In fact, my own blog was started after I started reading John Chow. It is true that of late, he is talking too much about dining, food etc than make money online topics.

    Cheers,
    Ajith

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  • John Chow Dot Com is evil blogging at it's best

    Benjamins last blog post..Will the real John Chow please stand up?
  • I disagree, I think Chow did a very good job in optimizing his blog and at the same time feed his readers with some valuable information. As we understand, we can't just tell people how to make money, that's not the way. JC will not be around if he tells everything about what he did. But he did share some informational knowledge on his blog.

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  • If it makes money and doesn't scam, How is it giving bad advice. FYI, Internet Marketing is all GAMING !
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